Curse

Senator Tom · Dec 19, 2005, 11:47 PM // 23:47

this is currently untested...i just thought it up while i was supposed to be reading a book

W/Mo x4
R/Mo x1
N/Mo x1
Mo/Me x1
Mo/X x1

W/Mo - Sword Warrior I
Pure Strike
Savage Slash
Flurry
Warriors Endurance
Smite Hex
Symbol of Wrath
Live Vicariously/Mending
Resurection Signet

W/Mo - Sword Warrior II
Frenzy
Sprint
Sever Artery
Gash
Power Attack
Mend Ailment
Live Vicariously/Mending
Resurection Signet

W/Mo - Axe Warrior I
Charge!
Dismember
Disrupting Chop
Watch Yourself!
Shields Up!
Mend Ailment
Mending/Live Vicariously
Resurection Signet

W/Mo - Axe Warrior II
Frenzy
Rush
Eviscerate
Axe Rake
Symbol of Wrath
Smite Hex
Live Vicariously/Mending
Resurection Signet

R/Mo
Symbyosis
Not sure of skills yet, but a beastmaster that smites though the pet probably.

N/Mo
Tainted Flesh
Consume Corpse
Putrid Explosion
Orison of Healing
Dwaynas Kiss
Heal Party
Holy Veil
Resurection Signet

Mo/Me
Standard Bonder (Martyr/Restore Conditions)

Mo/X
Heal monk w/ more condition or hex removal

please comment, what do you guys think? you should be able to figure the jobs of each person by the skills listed

Scrubs Can Die · Dec 20, 2005, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Is this a joke or are you seriously using one of the worst skills in the entire game on not one, not two, not even three, but four people?

chippxero · Dec 20, 2005, 01:21 AM // 01:21

I'd say test it as soon as you can, because holes in the stratagy/setup will become clear.

Senator Tom · Dec 20, 2005, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrubs Can Die

Is this a joke or are you seriously using one of the worst skills in the entire game on not one, not two, not even three, but four people?

since when is mending one of the worst skills in the game? you just cant understand its power

Rico Carridan · Dec 20, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senator Tom

since when is mending one of the worst skills in the game? you just cant understand its power

Mending is basically useless in all situations except for solo play or running. Basically, the amount of health you regenerate with it is much too high to justify its energy cost. Simply put, 3 pips of regeneration is not going to make a huge difference keeping you alive, but -1 energy degeneration certainly will help keep you dead. I think this build might be far more interesting if you switched all of the mendings to life bonds.

[Edit] Also, enchantment removal is quite common in current metagame, so your mendings may end up working against you.

Rico

Scrubs Can Die · Dec 20, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senator Tom

since when is mending one of the worst skills in the game? you just cant understand its power

Steps to killing this build:
1. Take down Symbiosis
2. Kill the bonder
3. Kill the healer
4. Kill someone
5. Repeat step 4 until team is dead

Mending is great alright, its 100+ damage for Shatter Enchantment.

OrangeArrow · Dec 20, 2005, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senator Tom

this is currently untested...i just thought it up while i was supposed to be reading a book

W/Mo x4
R/Mo x1
N/Mo x1
Mo/Me x1
Mo/X x1

W/Mo - Sword Warrior I
Hundred Blades
Savage Slash
Flurry
Warriors Endurance
Smite Hex
Symbol of Wrath
Live Vicariously/Mending
Resurection Signet

this build will be killer only becauses he seems to have mastered putting two elite skills on one guy

Thock · Dec 20, 2005, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senator Tom

since when is mending one of the worst skills in the game? you just cant understand its power

Yeah...so......I guess I can see how 2-8 health per second is powerful.....you know....because getting more than 2-8dps is really hard to get.....Is it April 1st already?

In the case this isn’t a joke:

Honestly, mending really isn’t that great, especially with the maintain cost. Not to mention the massive amount of enchant removal running around in GvG/Tombs. It has its uses for farming/running, but it does not counter enough damage to warrant taking up one slot on a serious 8-man team build, let alone four. The only way I can see this winning against a serious team, is if they are laughing too hard at you over Vent/TS to concentrate.

E Power · Dec 20, 2005, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Flame fest, why do you insist on flaming a build. Maybe he is interested in trying new builds, is that justification for you flaming on how bad mending is. Mending is by far one of the more powerful combo of skills when paired up with healing breeze, 10 pips of degen at all times never hurts anyone nor will it downplay anyone's build. I mean, 8 people with mending is a bit excessive. Exigous skills like mending can be paired up with other skills to become more powerful.

Ignorance is a key thing here, just because a skill alone doesn't work that well, doesn't mean it is complete garbage.

Senator Tom · Dec 20, 2005, 03:45 AM // 03:45

well guys mending was mainly to get more health from symbyosis, and notice that i had either mending or live vicarioulsy up there, not just mending.
i just put 'mending tombs build' cause i thought it would get more people to look
mending also helps to counter degen
and i was looking for some constructive criticism to help make this build better

reboot · Dec 20, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

mending is 1337sauce pvp.
you should try arcane echo + mending on your monks it poons!

Nice build, dont listen to the hate.

SirJackassIII · Dec 20, 2005, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Mending sucks anywhere outside farming/running.
Also, there are currently far too many enchant removers/Edenial running around to make this build worthwhile. Some of your warriors have some energy attacks, and with the already crappy energy pool of Warriors and only 1 regen, they'll run into a lot of trouble fast.
Also, you seem to have corpse denial somewhat covered, but if the opponent manages to get 1 Well of the Profane up, it's gg for you.

mortalis doleo · Dec 20, 2005, 11:16 AM // 11:16

you cant rely on a spirit to win, they are killed REALLY easilly...
i can say though, that this buld might win against IWAY!!!

my suggestion, use 8 w/mo with mending, healing breeze, healing hands and balthasar's spirit for energy management... no need for res, since you wont be dying with those enchantements up.

Dmitri3 · Dec 20, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Suggestions? Ok, here they are:
- Use succor on casters instead of mending. (warrior 1 and 2)
- Use holy veil on monks as a cover enchant. (warrior 3)
- Use 2 monks... one prot with martyr and one healer with WoH.
- Use battle rage for warrior's elite.
- Swap necro for smiter.
- Swap beast master for trapper.
- Swap warrior 4 for curses necro (I recommend necro) or domination mesmer.

Battle Torn · Dec 20, 2005, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Mending is good if you use a vamp mod as it counters the degen, a shield with -2dm etc while enchanted and it also stacks with healing breeze although many will argue those reasons are not enough to warrant using mending, but I do. epople have bad experiences with mending but some builds work better than others with it.

Dmitri3 · Dec 20, 2005, 12:33 PM // 12:33

I am certain that most of the experienced players will agree that having +1 energy regen and +1 hp regen (and some hex protection for monks) is a lot better that having +3 hp regen (for a caster, that is).

judge1121 · Dec 20, 2005, 01:36 PM // 13:36

personally i dont think it would be that good. IWAY would even be better than this. if u haven't looked at tombs either u see IWAY or balance and usually they both do spikes. so any heal regen wont work. and y would u want mending it only kills ur energy and if u get spiked well it wouldnt help a lot would it. and im telling u mending can be easily countered. and if u taking healing breeze where u gonna get the energy from. a warrior should only try to take either 1 healing skill or none.
also ur warriors all depend on energy. they need also a fourth attribute. u have them with swds, str, healing and a fourth attibute (either smiting, protection, tactics) so im not sure u can do dmg but im sure u can tank it for a while. with -1 energy regen how are u gonna do ur soj smite hex mend ailment and all that stuff i u are getting either energy negated or u have to keep casting them cause they are always being put on u. u dont need healing let ur monks heal instead. Instead take a dmg skill. A great defense makes a great offense, but ur monks are the defense. they can minimizes dmg, stop dmg, and heal it off. In other words since u have few of them u dont have a great defense. u just got defense with a lot of health. since u taking so many warriors is better if u have a big offense to have a good defense. this then makes u kill them b4 they kill u.

minor · Dec 20, 2005, 01:48 PM // 13:48

FYI natures renewal is used alot it will give u major problems besides the other stuff that ppl have mentioned...
However don't get mad at the ppl here making fun go back to the drawing board we all have to learn along the way.

NFiNiTE · Dec 20, 2005, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Aside from the Mending flaming posts, a lot of the criticisms on the build are valid. But hey, what build doesn't have a downside? (maybe some more than others... but that's beside the point

)

I'd say, try it for kicks. If it doesn't work out, then... maybe you wasted an hour or two, no biggie. If you win some, then you get to say "J00 g0t pwned by mendingz warrrrrriorzz"

JR · Dec 20, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by E Power

Flame fest, why do you insist on flaming a build. Maybe he is interested in trying new builds, is that justification for you flaming on how bad mending is. Mending is by far one of the more powerful combo of skills when paired up with healing breeze, 10 pips of degen at all times never hurts anyone nor will it downplay anyone's build. I mean, 8 people with mending is a bit excessive. Exigous skills like mending can be paired up with other skills to become more powerful.

Ignorance is a key thing here, just because a skill alone doesn't work that well, doesn't mean it is complete garbage.

Wow, you are actually trying to suggest mending is good? And yet you apparently have the intelligence to type out a post? Thats astonishing!